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Post by Shani on Oct 19, 2008 8:47:20 GMT -5
Since we are getting so many Kushiban characters (I know I'll have one too), we'll need to figure out their mood colors. As far as I know, those were never decided officially (except for white and black)... and each person might have their own color-mood associations.
Now that wouldn't be a problem if we had only one Kushiban, but with different members who have different ideas for what each color means, it could create some confusion or miss-matches between one Kushiban's pink and another Kushiban's pink, whereas their mood-affected color changing fur is supposed to create clarity, not confusion, of one's feelings. It's because of this that Kushiban wouldn't make very good deceivers; whoever knows them and their colors' meanings well enough could read even the most outwardly emotionless Kushiban.
So we might need some kind of chart or a list of colors that all of us can agree on which could be official to us and this particular RP.
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Post by mizzy on Oct 19, 2008 9:51:27 GMT -5
I agree. We should have a color chart so things are consistent. But I'm also wondering about details as well. I mean, do Kushiban change in solid colors or shift simultaneously between multiple hues, and if so to what degree? Having rainbow Kushibans running around might seem a little silly. X3
I'm also wondering about strength of emotions. Because if their fur color changes at the -slightest- mood change, it becomes self-defeating. I think it should only affect them more strongly for more potent emotions, rather than just significant change for say, mild annoyance. I also think, to a degree, they should be able to control the physical manifestation of their feelings. Otherwise, they'd be the most emotionally predictable species ever. X3
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Post by Jin Tonic on Oct 19, 2008 11:45:57 GMT -5
I'm just using the color scheme I used back when I was running Shijo in the old West End Games rpg, waaaaaaaay back in the day... >_> He can be easily explained, though, for having different color schemes. Kushiban aren't supposed to be Dark Side characters.
However, for the most part, I agree that a generally-agreed-upon color chart would be a good idea. As for the all-or-nothing debate, I was thinking that their primary emotion would be their main fur color, and if other emotions started shining through, you might see patches or stripes or something else of that other color... Not rainbow-pattern, per se. Maybe a set pattern, varying from individual to individual? Like...this one has spots, that one has stripes, that one gets splotchy patches in set places, and so forth?
For example, say Shijo gets stripes when he has conflicting emotions... He's pretty pissed off, because someone dumped a beer over his head, so his fur turns red...but then the offender produces a vibro-ax, and threatens to chop off his head if he doesn't watch himself. He's still pissed, but that ax isn't something he wants to mess with without his lightsaber already out, so blue tabby-style stripes start forming down his back, and he--very reluctantly--backs down.
Something where two different, potentially conflicting emotions are present...?
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Post by Shani on Oct 20, 2008 4:25:56 GMT -5
Well, they are emotionally predictable. Which, according to The Saga Edition Alien Anthology, imposes a -5 penalty on Deception checks that require hiding the character's emotions against any creature familiar with Kushibans. But it could be, as Mizzy said, that only their strong emotions affect fur color and slight changes don't. So a calm Kushi who keeps his feelings in check and doesn't let them get too strong could get away with deceiving an unattentive individual ;3
I like the idea of a second color appearing in the form of a pattern. It's not silly like being rainbow-colored, and flashing between two or three different colors before one is decided ain't as fun.
Let's see what Elliot has to say.
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Post by Elliot on Oct 20, 2008 16:29:29 GMT -5
Pie.
In all seriousness, maybe not strict stripes, but more "natural" markings would probably be appropriate. Maybe fading from red to blue and back again, still stripes, but not a "sudden" harsh line between colors.
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Post by Jin Tonic on Oct 20, 2008 23:59:22 GMT -5
Pie. In all seriousness, maybe not strict stripes, but more "natural" markings would probably be appropriate. Maybe fading from red to blue and back again, still stripes, but not a "sudden" harsh line between colors. I wasn't meaning like prison-style stripes... I was more talking about like tiger stripes, or cheetah spots, or mottles, or patches, or--whatever, really.
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Post by Elliot on Oct 21, 2008 17:02:57 GMT -5
Patches work, so do spots. I think tiger stripes would still be too sudden.
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Post by Shani on Oct 21, 2008 17:55:46 GMT -5
Alright, how do we get the colors agreed upon? Polls would be difficult to run.
One idea I just had is to go with the color representations that Wiki gives. Those colors that have conflicting moods, such as Yellow representing both cowardice and happiness, can be split into shades, fer example with pure yellow showing cowardice, and a gold or amber yellow showin happiness. Or since Maroon is a darker, and closer to black, color, that could be anger/aggression/violence and plain red for passion and courage. And so on :3
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Post by Elliot on Oct 22, 2008 0:43:28 GMT -5
"Yer lookin' a bit yeller, boy..."
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Post by Shani on Oct 28, 2008 7:54:36 GMT -5
White - Purity, lack, snow, ice, peace, life, nothing, frost, good, air. (We already know that "good" and "peace" and "purity" really do mean these things when a Kushi is white or an off-white like cream or ivory) Grey - Boredom, reality, seriousness, neutrality, mediocrity, undefinedness and contentment. (being between black and white, good and evil, grey could indeed stand for neutrality or a lackluster mood such as boredom or seriousness) Black - Lack, evil, darkness, bad luck, crime, mystery, silence, concealment, elegance, execution, end, chaos, death, and secrecy. (self-explanatory) Red - Aggression, blood, stop, courage, guilt, energy, passion, anger, fire, socialism, sacrifice, sin, violence, negative, danger, warning, communism, blushing, honor. (Red is associated with good things as well as bad. This can be fixed by tying the negative traits to a dark red color, such as maroon) Pink - Girls, love, health, breast cancer. (let's go with love for this one XD) Purple - Royalty, imperialism, nobility, upper class, penitence. (not so sure about this one. there is also fuchsia and violet which don't represent anything) Green - Nature, growth, hope, youth, calm, sickness, health, go, Islam, environmentalism, positive and envy. (envy can easily be put on a dark shade of green, and sickness on a disgusting one =P) Yellow - Age/aging, warmth, cowardice, happiness, slow, sunshine, the Orient, electricity. (I hope one can tell the difference between a happy yellow and a cowardly yellow. that's one of the hardest colors to replicate accurately. Just look at all those "golden blonde" characters in animation appearing more bland, more red, or more dirty than they are described to be) Blue - Ice, water, sky, sadness, winter, Judaism, boys, cold, calm and heaven. (there are also navy, teal, and aqua without meanings of their own. And cyan has its own list of shades, so it would deserve to have its own mood) Orange - Desire, flamboyance, fire, warning. (that's Em's color alright ) Brown - Nature, earth, soil, skin, dirt, chocolate, defecation. (please tell me your brown fur means you have a craving for chocolate ;; ) I think that's all of them. Also, keep in mind that a lighter shade of any color means it's gooder, and a darker shade of the same color could be b-b-b-bad!
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Post by Elliot on Oct 28, 2008 12:50:56 GMT -5
That's probably a good thing to follow. People can ue their own judgment on more obscure ones as well. Odds are, like people, kushiban emotions and strengths differ from one to the next, so what's purple for one may be brown for another Consider the character before you just use a color. As for purple, pride maybe? All of those things typically involve a prideful nature
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Post by Shani on Oct 28, 2008 14:10:42 GMT -5
Purple for one being brown for another is a bit of a stretch since they're, well... opposites... if we go with purple for pride and brown being a very down-to-earth color XD
But yea, there are so many shades out there that any can be used for the same mood... as long as it's close enough and not a completely different color =P
Wiki will show all the shades of a color if anyone wants to pick one. I wanna make a mood/expression sheet for my char now X3
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Post by Jin Tonic on Oct 28, 2008 21:49:49 GMT -5
There are positive meanings for black as well... One tradition says that black represents the absorption and destruction of negativity... So while usually black is a negative thing, I could see black also representing a color of solemn wisdom...for example, if an aged (mentally or physically) Kushi Jedi were seeking to impart his wisdom on impatient padawans, he might be seen in black fur...or maybe a particular color with black patches or what have you.
If you want to get right down to it, the Kushiban fur colors are probably a language all on their own, a kind of visual/color-based language, if you will...with its own complexities and whatnot.
If y'all want me to change Shijo's colorations to match everyone else's, I can do that (not that very much needs changing), but I still think that those who're clinically insane, gone to the Dark Side, or are somehow else just not right in the head will probably have that not-quite-rightness reflected in their fur colors... Just a thought.
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Post by Shani on Oct 29, 2008 9:13:57 GMT -5
Black may have positive meanings as well, especially in color personalities, but for Kushis it was marked as a color of despair. I'm sure it's different for Dark Side Kushis, speaking of which, I agree that "abnormal" Kushiban would have color-mood confusion =P that could even be a clinical condition XD So no need to change Shijo's colorations.
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Post by Jin Tonic on Oct 29, 2008 9:33:42 GMT -5
Awesome. ^^ Not that he strays far from the norm, but still, any variance at all is worth noting...
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