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Post by Elliot on Jul 12, 2008 15:47:27 GMT -5
... *imagines Elliot doing monkey things* o-o;; I'd just like for the posting to accelerate a bit. I know that sounds weird coming from someone who doesn't post that often, but that's honestly because I prefer to make one bigger post than several smaller posts. *shrug* just a preference. I like my posts so feel like they were worth the effort
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Post by Darfix on Jul 13, 2008 8:47:50 GMT -5
*notices Keppy hasn't made a comment yet*
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Post by mizzy on Jul 13, 2008 10:28:10 GMT -5
*notices Keppy hasn't made a comment yet* Well, considering I haven't seen him online in several days, I'm really not surprised. Also: Woo, I got karma! =D
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Post by Kepora on Jul 13, 2008 21:57:25 GMT -5
I'm so sorry for the inactivity guys, but I've had so much IRL stuff going on that I just haven't had the time. I've finally got a new friend whom my sisters and I can play Wrhammer 40,000 against, I've participated in my first D&D campaign, I've beenhaving trouble with my collarbone that makes it hard for me to do stuff around the house and type, just all idns of stuff. However, I'm going to try and do what I can to be more active. I DID read over what you guys said, but...I'm just so tired (and medicated XD) right now that I just can't recall, so...just go ahead and ask me what you wanna ask me.
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Post by Shani on Jul 14, 2008 14:32:42 GMT -5
Here is a teeny weeny issue:
The problem is that chemically clean water, free of all the natural salts and minerals that can be found in water, consumed regularly, is dangerous! It acts as a purgative and will strip trace elements and minerals from the body. So the crew may die.
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Post by mizzy on Jul 14, 2008 15:15:04 GMT -5
The problem is that chemically clean water, free of all the natural salts and minerals that can be found in water, consumed regularly, is dangerous! It acts as a purgative and will strip trace elements and minerals from the body. So the crew may die. Looking around, there's ways of renewing water from urine and the like, and I honestly can't concieve of a realistic way of maintaining safe drinking water for a space voyage aside from high-grade filtration and ice-harvesting. What I mean by ice harvesting, is collecting frozen water from planets like Mars, possibly Pluto, and keeping it frozen in storage until it's run through filtration to be drinkable. It's the most ideal solution I can come up with, as ice would be abundant in space. It's also the best solution since it's unknown when/if the ship would ever return. So any sort of renewal system would eventually start causing problems, or maybe even become completely useless over time.
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Post by Shani on Jul 14, 2008 15:33:34 GMT -5
I like the idea of ice harvesting much more than recycling water. Ice is easy to find in space. But the next problem is what it's made of. While our drinking water is a combination of hydrogen and oxygen, the icy parts of Pluto, for example, are mostly frozen nitrogen and contain smaller amounts of frozen carbon monoxide and methane. Liquid nitrogen can be used in cryogenics but not as drinking water. =P So finding the right kind of ice will also be a task.
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Post by mizzy on Jul 14, 2008 15:38:37 GMT -5
I like the idea of ice harvesting much more than recycling water. Ice is easy to find in space. But the next problem is what it's made of. While our drinking water is a combination of hydrogen and oxygen, the icy parts of Pluto, for example, are mostly frozen nitrogen and contain smaller amounts of frozen carbon monoxide and methane. Liquid nitrogen can be used in cryogenics but not as drinking water. =P So finding the right kind of ice will also be a task. Mineral collection could also be used to recycle water with the appropriate mineral content, also. Since water stripped of them is the problem. I imagine this sort of stuff would be standard protocol anyway.
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Post by Shani on Jul 14, 2008 15:41:13 GMT -5
Mineral collection could also be used to recycle water with the appropriate mineral content, also. Since water stripped of them is the problem. I imagine this sort of stuff would be standard protocol anyway. Yay! That puts Vidya in charge of making drinking water! =D She's the mineralogist.
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Post by mizzy on Jul 14, 2008 15:41:51 GMT -5
Problem solved then. ^_^
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Post by Kepora on Jul 14, 2008 20:25:21 GMT -5
alright, now that that issue's done, on to the next; who wants to ask something next?
Also, before anyone asks, the radiation/magnetic storm issues are handled by a redundant magnetic field projection system. The Harbinger has many smaller "hubs" in the ship that reinforce and held shape the shield, while the bulk of the shield's actual power comes from four evenly spaced generators lined up from fore to aft in a linear fashion, and all of the dropships have two large ones with a smaller backup.
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Post by mizzy on Jul 14, 2008 20:53:23 GMT -5
alright, now that that issue's done, on to the next; who wants to ask something next? Also, before anyone asks, the radiation/magnetic storm issues are handled by a redundant magnetic field projection system. The Harbinger has many smaller "hubs" in the ship that reinforce and held shape the shield, while the bulk of the shield's actual power comes from four evenly spaced generators lined up from fore to aft in a linear fashion, and all of the dropships have two large ones with a smaller backup. Well, there's a question. What kind of energy exactly are these generators producing and how is it implemented to create shields that can withstand radiation and magnetic storms? I understand how a magnetic field generator might be able to disrupt a magnetic storm at it's surface, but how would it combat radiation? You'd need exotic particles, like plasma, in the shield that can block highly charged particles like radiation. Also, another thing I never considered before. Food. Now, with the forested section of the ship, I can understand growing crops, but what about other food groups such as dairy and meat? It's no guarentee that the crew will come across planets that could meet these dietary needs. And there's no idea how long they'll be gone. I'll think of some more questions later. >.>
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Post by Kepora on Jul 14, 2008 21:07:13 GMT -5
earth'smagnetic field is capable of fending off most dangerus solar radiation, so theirs is just generators that are linked tp form a big 'bubble'.
also, they have a VERY large, high-pressure sub-zero storage compartment, so almost all the food is not only frozen, ut basically 'crushed' by the forces; all of the meat from a ferl cow, for example, would be compressed into a pack roughly the size of a can of coke; the more porous the material, the more they compress it. So, they can fit 2 decades of food for this many people and then some fit into the area that'd hold a year's worth.
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Post by mizzy on Jul 14, 2008 21:50:17 GMT -5
earth'smagnetic field is capable of fending off most dangerus solar radiation, so theirs is just generators that are linked tp form a big 'bubble'. also, they have a VERY large, high-pressure sub-zero storage compartment, so almost all the food is not only frozen, ut basically 'crushed' by the forces; all of the meat from a ferl cow, for example, would be compressed into a pack roughly the size of a can of coke; the more porous the material, the more they compress it. So, they can fit 2 decades of food for this many people and then some fit into the area that'd hold a year's worth. Since we already discussed the 'magnetic field' bit before you went offline (net troubles, I assume), I'm going to voice my doubt of the food storage means. I don't mean to rag on ideas, but I don't know how well a high-pressure containment system would work. When you're dealing with corporeal matter, if you crush it, it's going to stay crushed. I'm also not so sure whether effective compression would be possible at the technological level I imagine. Also, I don't know how practical it would be. Shrink-wrapped space food like the kind of stuff astronauts take up into space now would be more effective. But either way, a room crammed with a year's worth of space food and a high-pressure container crammed with 2 decades worth, it still means there's a limit. And there's always the possibility of catastrophic failure that could damage the container or spill years worth of food into space. I'll still thinking of a solution. Any other theories and ideas would be helpful. This is just for my peace of mind, no one has to change their ideas because of me. ^_^;
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Post by Darfix on Jul 15, 2008 9:19:17 GMT -5
Shields now? This is beginning to sound more like science fiction even for science fiction, what with Gundam reject flying space mechs and suits made of God and all that...
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