Notes about species

[Kepora]

Shani reminded me that I needed to tell you guys that humans ARE indeed allowed. HOWEVER, "nekos" (people with animal ears & tails and such, but not full0blown anthros) are NOT allowed; oyu must be oe or the other, and the anthrope gene is dominant over human genes. In other words:

Human + Human = Human
Anthro + Anthro = Anthro
Anthro + Human = Anthro (as in Orpheus' situation...yeah, his mom was a human XP)

[Elliot]

So wouldn't that mean that Humans would become extinct after enough generations?

[Shani]

Seems like it would.

Also, when and why did the anthros appear? Was it because of some accident that turned some of the world's animals/humans into them? If they evolved side by side from the beginning, humans'd go bye-bye.

[Elliot]

Yeah, in more primitive years, seeing as evolution takes many hundreds of thousands to millions of years to process even the smallest amounts, anthros typically would be superior. If humans and anthros have potentially the same mental ability, anthros would then be both genetically and physically superior. They would have either bred out or killed most of all of the humans well before this point.

If we're talking history and evolution, I'd think all of the humans would be gone by now.

It would be very easy to say that anthro genetics are NOT superior and solve the human extinction problem, but if they're equal then that would mean mixtures, and thus, half-anthros. For that matter, I don't see Kep's problem with them.

But yeah, on the breeding question, I only see two options. Either humans would have been killed or bred off long before this point, or the genetics are equal and there are half-breeds. I honestly don't see any other option o.o If you look at history, a lot more species went extinct before we became smart enough to realize they were doing so Hell, if you REALLY wanna go the evolution route, a species of "human" DID go extinct a long time ago, Neanderthals. Imagine if they became the dominant species instead of us

[Shani]

If those are the options, I'd rather go with no humans at all. There aren't any in the RP yet. It would seem these space ships' crews are speciesist or something. Also, Kep doesn't seem to like half-breeds and neither does Darfix. I just find them not suiting to the theme we have going here. It would be fine if we already had human characters but now they have little relevance to the story... except maybe Orph's mom. But Orph doesn't look like a half-n-half XD

[Elliot]

Well, there's also the third option: Mixes. Half-breeds aren't the only option, a human and an anthro could produce a "full" human, or a "full" anthro. In either case, both children would carry the opposite's genetics as well, so if they bred later with their "opposite" like their parents did, the same thing could happen.

For instance, when an African American and a Caucasian have a child, the child can be even darker than BOTH parents, or pale, or somewhere in the middle. Anything's possible.

[Kepora]

Well, for centuries, humans have tended to be, well...figur eit out XP but if you use a punnet square, two half-human anthropes have a one-in-four chance of having a human child, so I guess that helps support the reason humans are still around, hm?

[Elliot]

Think about it this way. A 1 in 4 chance, like you said. So if they had 4 kids, one would be human. One would be pure anthro. What are the other two? By your logic, they would ALSO be anthro, but under normal genetics they would be a mix of the two. Again, like a "catgirl". However, say we just let that slide and keep it as three anthros and one human.

Here's a picture for ya of the generations:




Out of 2 half anthros, given 2 generations passing, you have, in total, 5 humans and 17 anthros. This is including the two grandparents (yes, they're in one box. Count it as two).

That's from two HALF ANTHROS. Full anthros CANNOT produce humans at all from their genetics. Anthros which are 3-anthro-1-human will produce humans, but in an even more restricted format.

This pattern gets worse. If you drop down another level, the human population gets an even worse hit. Instead of roughly 1/3 humans, you're looking at more like 1/4. And like I said, it only gets worse.

Now keep in mind, this is also in a PERFECT world, with perfect genetics. Flukes can happen. Granted, those two half anthros could create 4 humans. Or 4 full anthros. There's no telling what'll happen. But odds eventually even themselves out, and ultimately humans are in the minority. Like I said, there would be also a population of pure bloods, not just mixed bloods, and pures cannot produce humans.

Combine all this with various wars and everyday tragedies, and the human population percentage is dropping more. Take into account beastly survivability and instincts (of which humans have little to no instincts), and mortality rate of humans gets worse.

Now take into consideration what would happen if you made human and anthro genetics equal, instead of anthros being dominant. Mixes of 3-human-1-anthro would be humans instead of anthro. Roughly half of the 2-human-2-anthro splits would be anthro, and half would be human. This would produce many more beings considered "human".

This is following your dislike of half-beasts, like catgirls. If we allowed those, suddenly the 1-3, 2-2, and 3-1 splits would be increasingly more beastlike. They would also be the "mutts" of the world, and consist of about 3/5s of the population. So that's a fairly serious population change from what you dreamed up, but it's also the most realistic. It's what would happen if we could breed with animals on our world. Eventually the half-beasts would be the majority.

So it might be better if, yes, you leave the half-beasts out. However, making anthro and human genetics equal would probably be much more what you're intending, otherwise humans would probably be near extinct right now. Even pushing it, it's probably like a 1 in 10,000 ratio.

[Kepora]

Hmmm....I guess I wasn't thinking too far ahead with that one, hm? Well, I suppose the gene should be about equal in dominance to human genes, each case varying in strength. basically, I wanna workit out to about a 1-to-3 or 1-to-4 ratio of humans to anthros, so I'm going to go with the modifications you suggested.

[Elliot]

Yeah, at equal dominance the ratio of humans to anthros is a lot better. Anthros still have more because of sheer survivability, but it'd be a lot more even overall than, you know, like 10,000 to 1

[Benny the Bear]

If the offspring of a human and anthro can only be either a human or anthro, then wouldn't the same apply to animal hybrids as well?
Humans are pretty much animals too.

Speaking of hybrids, dog crossbreeds and dogs in general wouldn't be possible because dogs are wolves that were tamed/bred by humans.
Dogs (and other tame animals such as lop-eared rabbits or pet ferrets) could exist if animals' survivability depended on where they live, as it does with humans. Humans living in the wild have better survivability than those living in cities. So the offspring of a wolf would become more doglike after many generations of living in a city. The best example of an animal who lost all of its survivability due to living conditions is Ilya.

Lastly, the chances of an anthro choosing a human as its partner are very slim. More so than one species breeding with another, since hybrids are frowned upon. Animal hybrids are already possibly at a ratio of 4 to 1 if not 8 to 1. The only hybrids on the ships are the genetically engineered Seven on the Harbinger and Lucian on the Cygnus (the situation concerning hybrids will change on the ships where they can't afford to be choosy). So there would be pure humans but halfbreeds would be extremely rare. It's not about whether it's possible, but whether it's socially acceptable. Orpheus' dad would have been either madly in love or very desperate.

[Shani]

Then Em must have reverse survivability! =D He does much better in rural areas than big cities. As you know, he nearly starved when he worked in Japan. XP

[Darfix]

I vote NO on Proposition "Humans In HE"

[Kepora]

To Benny: They were very much in love, and the Professor was permanantly scarred when his wife, Eliza, passed.**

**Note: I'm considering having the Professor himself still be alive, but I'll probably keep him dead...just adds more effect to Orpheus' story (which will be revealed as the RP progresses)

[Benny the Bear]

Jun 4, 2008 18:27:14 GMT -5 Kepora said:

To Benny: They were very much in love, and the Professor was permanantly scarred when his wife, Eliza, passed.**

I think you missed the point of my post, not that it really matters since I also don't agree to having humans in the first place...
As far as we have already gone into the roleplay, changes like these seem too "thrown together for the heck of it" (IE: OMG WE CAN HAVE HUUUMANS LOLOLOL). But what do I know? I'm just a dumb bear.